1 00:00:03,669 --> 00:00:02,149 i'm gonna let you in on something could 2 00:00:05,829 --> 00:00:03,679 these sausages be some kind of a secret 3 00:00:07,749 --> 00:00:05,839 weapon of ours no 4 00:00:09,589 --> 00:00:07,759 if they were air material command would 5 00:00:11,430 --> 00:00:09,599 be the first to know how about a device 6 00:00:13,390 --> 00:00:11,440 from a foreign country we know they're 7 00:01:04,270 --> 00:00:13,400 not 8 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:04,280 [Music] 9 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:15,270 what's up 10 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:16,310 how's everybody doing 11 00:01:26,170 --> 00:01:23,830 got kind of some uh rock and roll music 12 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:26,180 today 13 00:01:33,990 --> 00:01:31,830 so 14 00:01:36,550 --> 00:01:34,000 yeah just kind of changing it up playing 15 00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:36,560 some rock and roll music 16 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:38,960 um that i made myself 17 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:40,720 so 18 00:01:45,350 --> 00:01:43,040 you know i make my own music 19 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:45,360 i don't know if you knew that but 20 00:01:48,789 --> 00:01:46,050 i do 21 00:01:51,749 --> 00:01:48,799 [Laughter] 22 00:01:53,830 --> 00:01:51,759 and i was kind of tired of the you know 23 00:01:56,069 --> 00:01:53,840 slower stuff i thought we'd kick it up a 24 00:01:58,389 --> 00:01:56,079 notch with something a little more 25 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:58,399 rocking you know 26 00:02:10,150 --> 00:01:59,520 because 27 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,110 yeah 28 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,270 probably too loud for some people though 29 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:18,550 but 30 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:21,120 it's saturday 31 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,470 is what it is 32 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:35,830 it gets in a good mood 33 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,470 all right 34 00:02:45,509 --> 00:02:43,670 so we have a lot to talk about today 35 00:02:48,790 --> 00:02:45,519 we have a couple of different things to 36 00:02:51,830 --> 00:02:48,800 talk about today on the docket uh we are 37 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:51,840 going to talk about 38 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:53,440 um 39 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:56,640 mutes which uh i learned was shorthand 40 00:02:58,470 --> 00:02:57,680 for 41 00:03:01,190 --> 00:02:58,480 uh 42 00:03:04,869 --> 00:03:01,200 cattle mutilations 43 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:04,879 and also some vatican stuff 44 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,440 which is always pretty interesting um as 45 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:09,360 their you know catholicism is the number 46 00:03:14,070 --> 00:03:11,760 one religion like in the world there's 47 00:03:16,630 --> 00:03:14,080 like over a billion catholics so 48 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:16,640 you know thinking about how 49 00:03:22,149 --> 00:03:18,640 you know that whole thing would work 50 00:03:25,190 --> 00:03:22,159 with some sort of disclosure of another 51 00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:25,200 um intelligent life form would be pretty 52 00:03:29,589 --> 00:03:27,920 important and very interesting 53 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:29,599 uh probably more interesting than 54 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:32,159 important i don't know that's for you to 55 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:33,360 decide 56 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:35,200 um but yeah 57 00:03:39,509 --> 00:03:37,760 and i also just wanted to give a little 58 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:39,519 piece on 59 00:03:43,509 --> 00:03:41,120 you know i know i 60 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:43,519 have been doing you know ufo stuff 61 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:46,319 forever or whatever but um 62 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:48,879 um i wanted to give a little piece on 63 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:52,640 what i think the state of ufology is 64 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:55,840 uh with um you know 65 00:04:00,470 --> 00:03:58,239 the advent of ufo apology being thrown 66 00:04:04,390 --> 00:04:00,480 into the social media world 67 00:04:05,429 --> 00:04:04,400 and kind of what i see happening there 68 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:05,439 and 69 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:06,720 um 70 00:04:11,190 --> 00:04:09,120 you know if it's a disservice or not 71 00:04:13,589 --> 00:04:11,200 you know and either way can we do 72 00:04:16,509 --> 00:04:13,599 anything about it really so 73 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:16,519 but what i'll start with is the cattle 74 00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:22,950 you know robert likes the flannel i 75 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:24,880 appreciate it thank you thank you very 76 00:04:31,270 --> 00:04:30,080 much he says gr greet gr eat shirt by 77 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:31,280 the way 78 00:04:41,189 --> 00:04:40,240 we have k-42 d skinny bob we have 79 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:41,199 uh 80 00:04:46,230 --> 00:04:43,360 rachel that ufo lady 81 00:04:47,430 --> 00:04:46,240 um we have bug what's up 82 00:04:51,510 --> 00:04:47,440 and 83 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:51,520 lara disclosure team what's up 84 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:53,520 he's only here for five minutes man what 85 00:04:59,350 --> 00:04:56,560 a eat and run guy huh i'm glad you're 86 00:05:02,230 --> 00:04:59,360 saying what's up daniel christensen um 87 00:05:04,629 --> 00:05:02,240 who else we got arnold what's up 88 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,639 lionel george 89 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:06,160 yawn 90 00:05:10,629 --> 00:05:08,240 um 91 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:10,639 christopher walford always ready to rock 92 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:12,400 i love that sweet 93 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:15,280 jos laura awesome 94 00:05:19,749 --> 00:05:18,160 um appreciate everybody stopping by so 95 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:19,759 yeah let's get to it so what kind of 96 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:21,440 started this is 97 00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:22,400 um 98 00:05:26,950 --> 00:05:24,720 i was watching 99 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:26,960 um 100 00:05:30,950 --> 00:05:29,360 a toe with curt is that what it's called 101 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:30,960 toe skirt 102 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:33,919 it was pretty interesting toe right 103 00:05:39,749 --> 00:05:35,840 i wouldn't put toe in the name of my 104 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:39,759 podcast but but uh kercher mungle it's a 105 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,680 great podcast a super smart dude he does 106 00:05:46,390 --> 00:05:43,680 a good job with his interviews um i 107 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:46,400 appreciate that you know he's he's got a 108 00:05:51,909 --> 00:05:47,600 pretty good 109 00:05:53,590 --> 00:05:51,919 um fan base and he doesn't you know 110 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:53,600 shy away from this stuff or anything he 111 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:56,639 actually engages it in it and you know 112 00:06:01,189 --> 00:05:59,199 from what i can tell in a very great way 113 00:06:04,070 --> 00:06:01,199 you know a very level-headed way 114 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:04,080 theories of everything yeah there we go 115 00:06:07,990 --> 00:06:05,520 that's what it's called 116 00:06:11,749 --> 00:06:08,000 so um i really appreciate the work that 117 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:11,759 he does and um i'm i'm appreciative of 118 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:15,280 that so yesterday he had a 119 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:22,710 um linda multnow which 120 00:06:27,749 --> 00:06:25,520 you know i don't want to get into 121 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:27,759 too much of what i think uh of the 122 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:29,840 person really 123 00:06:36,309 --> 00:06:34,790 she's been around for a while she's been 124 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:36,319 doing this for a while she's 80 years 125 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,280 old 126 00:06:40,309 --> 00:06:39,120 um and 127 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:40,319 you know she 128 00:06:46,230 --> 00:06:42,960 definitely let everybody know that 129 00:06:49,029 --> 00:06:46,240 um she's done a lot of journalism for a 130 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:49,039 lot of different places and 131 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:52,240 um has released books so 132 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:55,039 without going too far down the road she 133 00:06:58,950 --> 00:06:57,120 you know every opportunity she mentioned 134 00:07:01,110 --> 00:06:58,960 a book and and what she's done and 135 00:07:03,029 --> 00:07:01,120 throughout journalism so 136 00:07:04,390 --> 00:07:03,039 um you know you can take that for what 137 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:04,400 you want but 138 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:05,520 and uh 139 00:07:07,830 --> 00:07:06,720 mutilation 140 00:07:10,230 --> 00:07:07,840 she took 141 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:10,240 a lot of that on in the 70s 142 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:13,199 um she made a documentary for it that 143 00:07:17,350 --> 00:07:15,120 was pretty big 144 00:07:20,230 --> 00:07:17,360 and 145 00:07:23,189 --> 00:07:20,240 although you know she wasn't the 146 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:23,199 um first person to start 147 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:26,080 um studying the cow mutilations 148 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:29,360 actually mr david perkins i think was 149 00:07:33,270 --> 00:07:31,440 and we'll get into him but 150 00:07:35,430 --> 00:07:33,280 linda multahal is pretty convinced that 151 00:07:38,390 --> 00:07:35,440 these are all extraterrestrial based 152 00:07:40,629 --> 00:07:38,400 ufos um and there definitely are you 153 00:07:42,469 --> 00:07:40,639 know situations where 154 00:07:44,309 --> 00:07:42,479 you know people see things in the in the 155 00:07:45,909 --> 00:07:44,319 sky 156 00:07:47,909 --> 00:07:45,919 yeah there you go strange harvest it's 157 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:47,919 called people see things in the sky and 158 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:49,680 then there's like some 159 00:07:55,189 --> 00:07:52,720 mutilations cow mutilations right and 160 00:07:56,309 --> 00:07:55,199 the way they're done is 161 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:56,319 well 162 00:08:01,270 --> 00:07:59,280 you know the um mystery mutilations the 163 00:08:03,909 --> 00:08:01,280 cuts are perfect they're clean uh 164 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:03,919 there's no blood um it's usually like 165 00:08:07,990 --> 00:08:06,240 something like the left ear left eye 166 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:08,000 um and 167 00:08:13,749 --> 00:08:10,560 the cow's private parts 168 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:13,759 and um so on and so forth and 169 00:08:18,309 --> 00:08:15,520 everything's taken in a way where 170 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:18,319 usually there's no footprints 171 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:20,160 and it's kind of like a mystery like 172 00:08:26,629 --> 00:08:22,879 organs missing yes laura 173 00:08:33,029 --> 00:08:29,270 what kind of 174 00:08:38,790 --> 00:08:36,949 well i can say like it it got the 175 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:38,800 basically got the uh 176 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:41,680 attention of some constituents so to 177 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:42,880 speak 178 00:08:48,550 --> 00:08:45,760 and they wanted to 179 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:48,560 i can bring up like the couple files i 180 00:08:54,630 --> 00:08:51,040 have on this 181 00:08:57,670 --> 00:08:54,640 and you know it's not a super thorough 182 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:57,680 um document hunt here but it's enough to 183 00:09:01,110 --> 00:08:59,519 kind of get the the point across i 184 00:09:05,269 --> 00:09:01,120 believe of 185 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:07,590 so we have this it was 186 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:09,600 a lot of these are mostly all of these 187 00:09:14,310 --> 00:09:13,120 actually are uh from the fbi so senator 188 00:09:15,910 --> 00:09:14,320 haskell 189 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:15,920 uh colorado 190 00:09:19,509 --> 00:09:16,880 um 191 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:19,519 we can just read it here this is 1975. 192 00:09:27,829 --> 00:09:26,230 and we're in you know without too much 193 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:27,839 context i apologize but you can see 194 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:29,760 subject mutilation of livestock state of 195 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:33,040 colorado this was happening a lot and 196 00:09:37,190 --> 00:09:35,120 you know people were getting pretty 197 00:09:39,190 --> 00:09:37,200 worried hot and bothered about their 198 00:09:41,430 --> 00:09:39,200 cattle because that's their investment 199 00:09:43,190 --> 00:09:41,440 like farmers and stuff so i'm just going 200 00:09:44,949 --> 00:09:43,200 to go through this quick senator haskell 201 00:09:46,310 --> 00:09:44,959 indicated his concern for a situation 202 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:46,320 occurring in the western states where 203 00:09:50,470 --> 00:09:48,560 cattle have been discovered mutilated 204 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:50,480 the bizarre mutilations involved loss of 205 00:09:54,070 --> 00:09:52,640 left ear left eye sex organ and the 206 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:54,080 blood drain from the carcass with no 207 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:56,000 traces of blood left on the ground and 208 00:09:59,110 --> 00:09:57,440 no footprints 209 00:10:03,030 --> 00:09:59,120 haskell repeated as a request that the 210 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:06,470 and basically the fbi 211 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:09,440 didn't want to or couldn't uh begin the 212 00:10:12,310 --> 00:10:10,720 investigation 213 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:12,320 um haskell he said the ranchers are 214 00:10:15,590 --> 00:10:13,760 getting considerably worried out there 215 00:10:18,550 --> 00:10:15,600 and he felt if the fbi would just enter 216 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:18,560 the investigation it would have a 217 00:10:22,389 --> 00:10:20,720 deterrent effect our jurisdiction was 218 00:10:23,829 --> 00:10:22,399 explained to senator haskell and he said 219 00:10:26,389 --> 00:10:23,839 that he understood our statutory 220 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:26,399 limitations and inquired as to whether a 221 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:28,880 resolution would give us as necessary 222 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:30,959 blah blah blah 223 00:10:34,630 --> 00:10:32,880 so eventually they did take on the 224 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:34,640 investigation and they called it project 225 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:39,430 um 226 00:10:43,590 --> 00:10:40,959 then we'll go up here just another one 227 00:10:45,910 --> 00:10:43,600 memorandum to mr adams uh 228 00:10:47,509 --> 00:10:45,920 haskell re-contacted them in the 229 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:47,519 afternoon said that he had received a 230 00:10:51,269 --> 00:10:49,440 call from dane edwards editor of paper 231 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:51,279 brush colorado 232 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:53,440 who furnished information that u.s army 233 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:54,959 helicopters had been seen in the 234 00:11:00,550 --> 00:10:57,120 vicinity where some of the cattle were 235 00:11:01,750 --> 00:11:00,560 mutilated and that he edwards had been 236 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:01,760 threatened 237 00:11:06,310 --> 00:11:04,560 but senator haskell did not know uh what 238 00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:06,320 sort of threats edwards had received her 239 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:08,079 by whom he was advised that this 240 00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:09,360 information would be furnished to the 241 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:11,440 denver office and denver would closely 242 00:11:15,509 --> 00:11:13,680 follow the situation senator haskell 243 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:15,519 expressed appreciation 244 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:18,320 so here's one of the situations where as 245 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:20,480 far as linda molten howell goes she 246 00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:23,120 tends to not talk about this stuff 247 00:11:27,269 --> 00:11:25,519 um the helicopters that are seen 248 00:11:29,110 --> 00:11:27,279 you know in some instances there are 249 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:29,120 national guard helicopters that the 250 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:30,640 ranchers actually eventually started 251 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:32,560 shooting at because they were so you 252 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:34,000 know pissed off about all this stuff 253 00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:35,760 that they armed themselves 254 00:11:38,750 --> 00:11:37,680 um in this instance this is just a 255 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:38,760 document 256 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:41,600 unsubstantiated from a dane edwards i'm 257 00:11:45,910 --> 00:11:44,000 talking about u.s army helicopters seen 258 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:45,920 in the vicinity which were seen 259 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:48,720 frequently in the vicinity but although 260 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:51,600 not all the time 261 00:11:56,870 --> 00:11:54,160 and it goes even deeper than that 262 00:11:58,790 --> 00:11:56,880 to be quite honest with you but um i'll 263 00:12:00,629 --> 00:11:58,800 kind of get to what i think about all 264 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:00,639 this after i go through what i have to 265 00:12:08,629 --> 00:12:05,910 here's another one uh for several months 266 00:12:10,949 --> 00:12:08,639 so this is a theodore rosac 267 00:12:13,829 --> 00:12:10,959 uh to theodore rozak who is a special 268 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:13,839 agent in charge for the fbi 269 00:12:17,430 --> 00:12:15,600 for several months my office has been 270 00:12:18,949 --> 00:12:17,440 receiving reports of cattle mutilations 271 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:18,959 throughout colorado and other western 272 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:21,680 states at least 130 cases in colorado 273 00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:23,600 alone have been reported to local 274 00:12:28,389 --> 00:12:25,839 officials in the colorado bureau of 275 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:28,399 investigation the cbi has verified that 276 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:29,920 the incidents have occurred for the last 277 00:12:34,069 --> 00:12:32,240 two years and nine states 278 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:34,079 uh the ranchers in rural residents of 279 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,760 colorado are concerned frightened by the 280 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:37,440 incidents the bizarre mutilations are 281 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:39,600 frightening in themselves in virtually 282 00:12:43,350 --> 00:12:41,040 all the cases the left ear left 283 00:12:44,949 --> 00:12:43,360 diarectum and sex organ of each animal 284 00:12:47,509 --> 00:12:44,959 has been cut away and the blood drained 285 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:47,519 from the carcass but with no traces of 286 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,200 blood left on the ground and no 287 00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:52,079 footprints 288 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:54,000 in colorado's morgan county area there 289 00:12:57,590 --> 00:12:55,680 has also been reports that a helicopter 290 00:12:59,430 --> 00:12:57,600 was used by those who mutilated the 291 00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:59,440 carcass with the cattle and several 292 00:13:03,509 --> 00:13:01,519 persons have reported being chased by a 293 00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:03,519 similar helicopter 294 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:04,959 because i'm gravely concerned about the 295 00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:06,880 situation i'm asking that the fbi 296 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:11,110 at the bottom you can kind of see what i 297 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:12,480 just talked about now it appears that 298 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:14,000 the ranchers are arming themselves to 299 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:16,000 protect their livestock as well as their 300 00:13:19,990 --> 00:13:18,079 families and themselves because they are 301 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:20,000 frustrated by the unsuccessful 302 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:22,639 investigation clearly something must be 303 00:13:33,750 --> 00:13:32,150 the fact that the allegations so we can 304 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:33,760 see this from haskell the fact that the 305 00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:35,600 allegations have been made 306 00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:37,680 of the loss of livestock in 21 states 307 00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:39,440 under similar circumstances strongly 308 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:42,000 suggests the very real possibility that 309 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:43,680 the crossing of state lines is involved 310 00:13:46,870 --> 00:13:45,360 so this is basically how he's trying to 311 00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:46,880 get the fbi involved because there's 312 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:49,199 crossing of state lines and everything 313 00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:58,470 um so this one is interesting because it 314 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:03,670 kind of different uh ideas that were 315 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:06,320 being thrown about on march 679 the fbi 316 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:08,000 albuquerque division instructed to 317 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:10,320 conduct the investigation 318 00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:12,880 april 2079 a conference was and this is 319 00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:14,720 kind of like a 320 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:17,040 big part of this whole 321 00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,360 mutilation thing is this conference 322 00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,519 and a bunch of ufologists showing up um 323 00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,199 kind of tying the two together 324 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:25,120 rightfully or wrongfully i can't really 325 00:14:28,629 --> 00:14:26,720 say i guess but 326 00:14:30,629 --> 00:14:28,639 um 327 00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:30,639 oh thanks laura by the way 328 00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:35,189 vinnie comes in disclosure teams he goes 329 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:38,480 what did i miss laura goes not much 330 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:40,890 thanks 331 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:42,870 [Laughter] 332 00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:45,360 i'm just kidding so in march 679 the fbi 333 00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:47,040 albuquerque division instructed to 334 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:48,639 conduct the investigation into the 335 00:14:55,030 --> 00:14:51,360 mutilations of 15 animals 336 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,550 the problem of animal mutilations 337 00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,320 primarily cattle in which approximately 338 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,639 180 people attended who included various 339 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:02,240 law enforcement agencies from several 340 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:04,720 states news media representatives 341 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:07,120 and the general public senator schmidt 342 00:15:10,470 --> 00:15:08,720 chaired the conference and the u.s 343 00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:10,480 attorney new mexico 344 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,030 um 345 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,440 doj had given 346 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:21,519 the fbi authority to investigate those 347 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:23,600 cattle mutilations which have occurred 348 00:15:28,069 --> 00:15:26,160 or might occur in indian country during 349 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:28,079 the conference numerous theories were 350 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:29,920 expounded concerning who is responsible 351 00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:32,480 for these mutilations including members 352 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:35,839 of satanic cults predators pranksters 353 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:37,920 extraterrestrial visitors in some 354 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:40,079 unknown government agency at the 355 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,680 conclusion of this conference it was 356 00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:43,440 decided that one agency would be 357 00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:45,519 designated at the coordinating 358 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:47,279 investigative agency for all 359 00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,600 jurisdictions 360 00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:51,360 so 361 00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:52,399 um 362 00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:54,959 there's really two reasons i wanted to 363 00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:58,240 show these documents so the first one is 364 00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:00,560 to show you if you didn't know already 365 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:01,600 so 366 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,440 many of you probably have 367 00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:05,199 known this already but it was a real 368 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:06,320 thing 369 00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:07,360 and 370 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,759 what's happening now but i'm pretty sure 371 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,120 there's different weird things like that 372 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,519 happening now um in fact i think in 373 00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:17,360 france there was a thing with horses not 374 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,759 too long ago which is interesting 375 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:21,199 um 376 00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:23,040 but it was a real deal 377 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,959 and there 378 00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:26,480 there were years where i think it was 379 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:29,360 over a thousand or something livestock 380 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:31,680 you know but 381 00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:34,320 what's interesting here is that 382 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:37,279 when you look at these mutilations and 383 00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:38,320 the different 384 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:40,399 you know reasons people attach to it 385 00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:42,800 whether it be extraterrestrials uh 386 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,240 pranksters hoaxes um cults satanic 387 00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:48,720 rituals whatever 388 00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,389 you know you can find different cases 389 00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:57,040 that substantiate each one in different 390 00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,639 manners right 391 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:00,959 there have been mutilation cases where 392 00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,199 there's like ritual things set up 393 00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:05,839 outside of it or near the area there 394 00:17:10,710 --> 00:17:08,640 have been cases where cows were 395 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,720 the dead cow was tested and had 396 00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,400 um 397 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:14,799 mescaline in its system 398 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,880 and there have been cases where there's 399 00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:18,880 no footprints nothing you just wouldn't 400 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:19,679 know 401 00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:21,360 and there have been cases where it looks 402 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,839 like a predator came 403 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:25,679 there's all these different 404 00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:28,160 things going on 405 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,080 and but we're trying to figure out the 406 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:32,320 one that people can't figure out just 407 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,150 you know it's so extremely similar to 408 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:40,320 how you have both sightings go 409 00:18:00,470 --> 00:17:44,470 that 410 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:00,480 helicopters around this stuff 411 00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:02,320 and ufos 412 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:13,430 oftentimes the helicopters were unmarked 413 00:18:20,870 --> 00:18:16,230 and this all kind of boils down to me is 414 00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:20,880 some kind of control system that uh 415 00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,600 jacques vale speaks of 416 00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:25,520 this weird trickster phenomenon where 417 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:26,799 this 418 00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,320 to see what it wants you to see and it 419 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:32,000 wants to keep you off the right path and 420 00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,789 i don't 421 00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,640 you know the more i look into this stuff 422 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:42,559 it's like sometimes the less i think 423 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:45,600 it's actually extraterrestrial and more 424 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,190 you know weird stuff going on 425 00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:56,400 uh whether it be 426 00:19:05,590 --> 00:18:58,240 you know positive or negative or 427 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:09,029 what i wanted to also show is 428 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:11,760 you know me i like to deep dive 429 00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:15,120 well i like to dive 430 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,640 i don't know how deep it is i guess to 431 00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:18,480 be honest with you but 432 00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:28,630 and grab a couple blue book documents 433 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,549 that talk about 434 00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,160 some mutilation stuff 435 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:34,240 so this one is interesting 436 00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:36,960 and you know forgive me but it's a whole 437 00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,960 document and everything from blue book 438 00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:40,640 trust me but i'm just skipping i'm just 439 00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,549 because of the bottom paragraph 440 00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:48,559 so basically the witness states that the 441 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:49,840 object definitely did not have the 442 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,640 curtain this is a ufo report by the way 443 00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,120 and it's in cartersville georgia and 444 00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:57,919 it's 1948 445 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,430 and i'm just kind of showing how 446 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:06,000 here we go again is some sort of ufo 447 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:10,240 sighting and in relation to uh ufo stuff 448 00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,679 so the witness states that the object 449 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,960 definitely did not have the curb 450 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,880 trajectory of a wingless missile shortly 451 00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,720 after the crossing spat the blue flames 452 00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:18,320 sputtered and turned immediately or its 453 00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:20,240 word flame then died altogether but 454 00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,600 nothing was seen hitting the ground 455 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:24,400 witness states as the flame was 456 00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,200 not of the long trailing type but rather 457 00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,640 the impression that you're looking down 458 00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,480 a long exhaust stack at a short but 459 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,720 concentrated massive blue flame 460 00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,960 and further stated that his connections 461 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,799 with the royal air force pilots in 462 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:38,960 england during the war leads him now to 463 00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:41,760 believe this object looked the same as 464 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:45,039 the buzz bombs chased 465 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,260 by the raf pilots at night um 466 00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:49,600 [Music] 467 00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,559 pursuit of flight 9 january 48 also saw 468 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,320 the object to flame only but gave no 469 00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:56,240 further evidence for its identification 470 00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:58,960 okay then this paragraph 471 00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,400 the person stated on april 29th that 75 472 00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,520 cattle had died of an unknown disease on 473 00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,520 the farm 474 00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,919 in newman georgia and expressed concern 475 00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:11,919 over a possible connection between the 476 00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:14,559 unidentified object he reported in this 477 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:22,070 and the department of agriculture 478 00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,240 advises that this unknown disease has 479 00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,720 persisted for over a year in other cases 480 00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,280 repeated elsewhere in the country for in 481 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,440 the country for some time back there 482 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,120 apparently remains no basis for the 483 00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,360 connection okay well how are they going 484 00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,320 to know that it's an unknown disease 485 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:40,240 so how can you say there's no basis for 486 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:41,600 connection you don't know what the 487 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,600 disease is but this is interesting 488 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,480 that this person already back in 1948 489 00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,880 before any of those mutilations are gone 490 00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:52,640 is already 491 00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,110 the idea of possibly 492 00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:01,039 ufos in them 493 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:01,919 being 494 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:07,110 so i thought that was 495 00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:15,190 vinnie's throwing in some 496 00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,310 one thing i can mention is i was 497 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,559 listening to 498 00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:27,360 this podcast for a little bit with 499 00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,630 uh this person that i'm hoping to get on 500 00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:33,679 the show which would be pretty cool 501 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,159 david perkins he was talking about some 502 00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:37,840 nid's work with this stuff actually 503 00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,480 where um it was noticed that 504 00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:41,360 you know 505 00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,640 whatever needs to be in the brain and 506 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,559 it's normal or whatever for these cows 507 00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:50,640 or i'm not a biologist so i don't know 508 00:22:53,909 --> 00:22:51,600 but 509 00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:53,919 apparently there was a lot less of this 510 00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:56,799 copper in most of the cows who have been 511 00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:59,520 mutilated and um 512 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,520 they were trying to investigate that 513 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,840 which is very interesting but kind of 514 00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,000 reminds i was reminded of that when i 515 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,679 saw vinnie talk about the alzheimer's 516 00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,640 thing 517 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:10,080 not that those two are connected but 518 00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,149 and this last one i'm going to show you 519 00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:24,799 in regards to the 520 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,230 and we hear this a lot about cattle or 521 00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,600 animals 522 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:37,360 being really 523 00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:38,720 you know hot and bothered when these 524 00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,679 ufos come by right so here we i'm just 525 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,919 going to read this part here 526 00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,480 interesting too that the conclusion is 527 00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,559 unidentified because we know with blue 528 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,520 book 529 00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,520 um cases 530 00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,000 like they don't often put it down as 531 00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,520 unidentified 532 00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,880 actually 533 00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,400 if they don't know what it is they 534 00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,440 typically put it down as 535 00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,000 you know not conclusive or not enough 536 00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,840 evidence 537 00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,039 something like that they don't say 538 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:09,120 unidentified or unknown but this is 539 00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,240 interesting 540 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,880 the observer was awakened by several of 541 00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,720 his cows bawling 542 00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,240 the observer rushed to his living room 543 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:18,000 and cited a craft that was estimated to 544 00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,080 be about a hundred feet diameter and it 545 00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:22,240 had concave sides a bright yellow green 546 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,159 light came from the concave size of the 547 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,400 craft and the craft itself produced 548 00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,799 pulsating sound similar to a piece of 549 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,039 wire world at high speed above person 550 00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,480 set 551 00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,640 that's so interesting hey 552 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,080 that description 553 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,520 can you imagine what that sounds like 554 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,360 piece of wire world at high speed above 555 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,720 your head kind of sounds like a 556 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,200 helicopter doesn't it 557 00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,480 maybe during this time the cows were uh 558 00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,559 staring at the object which 559 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,159 i don't know what that says about 100 to 560 00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,120 200 feet away and about 25 feet above 561 00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,440 the ground finally the cow's world and 562 00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,360 ran into the barn shortly afterward the 563 00:25:02,789 --> 00:24:59,360 craft moved away rapidly towards the 564 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:04,470 then 565 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:15,750 and it's a letter but there is 566 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:18,230 interesting so they had a little piece 567 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,029 and 568 00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:31,590 interesting here okay this is 1968 so 569 00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,310 aerial phenomenon is in the receipt of a 570 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,039 ufo from missouri which occurred on 9th 571 00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,720 february 68 the observer site in 572 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,480 extremely bright light 573 00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,000 we know all that 574 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,600 initially the object was suffering but 575 00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,120 when it moved towards southwest the 576 00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,240 noise was two or three times louder 577 00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,640 and the sound pulsations were more rapid 578 00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:57,120 interesting because ufo observations 579 00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:58,240 typically 580 00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,039 which you hear is 581 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,600 uh no sound 582 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,840 here we go blake mr facility chief at 583 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,440 the kansas city municipal airport 584 00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,760 suggests that citing it may have been of 585 00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,400 a low altitude operation of a turbine 586 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,000 powered helicopter 587 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,760 and suggested that we contact you do 588 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,080 helicopters from your field ever operate 589 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,080 in the area in question you have records 590 00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,840 for the above date and time that would 591 00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,440 indicate whether a helicopter or other 592 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,880 aircraft would be in the area at the 593 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,760 time if so was there any activity in the 594 00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,080 area at the time 595 00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:34,230 they're 596 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,710 before the blossom of the cattle 597 00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,360 mutilations really 598 00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,120 in a different state this is kansas city 599 00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:50,480 missouri this isn't even colorado or 600 00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:59,190 so this is just um 601 00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:00,000 from 602 00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,960 hector 603 00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,240 quintillo 604 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,880 quanatila i probably never say his name 605 00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:06,720 right 606 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,480 had a project blue balls 607 00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,320 blue book 608 00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,799 right into uh 609 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:14,880 police department kansas city 610 00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:23,669 [Music] 611 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,470 so here we have the disc 612 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,960 who is this from 613 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,120 john westall 614 00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,640 ltc aviation officer not sure what ltc 615 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,159 means 616 00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:38,000 but number two bullet point he says the 617 00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,279 description of the sighting does 618 00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,399 resemble in an in intangible way the 619 00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:44,399 manner in which members of the lady 620 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,990 our helicopters seldom operate in the 621 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,480 vicinity of gower missouri more 622 00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:54,720 specifically our records revealed no 623 00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,640 helicopter flights on the 9th february 624 00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,279 1968. 625 00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:02,960 sherman army airfield control tower is 626 00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,320 not operational during the period 627 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,919 of the time stated 628 00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,440 therefore it was not in position to 629 00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,360 receive any reports of unusual objects 630 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,760 or noise the airfield operations office 631 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,559 is open 24 hours a day 632 00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,600 so 633 00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:19,440 here we have 634 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:31,750 and there were none 635 00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:33,029 and that kind of goes back to the 636 00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,029 whatever these intelligent 637 00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,000 entities are 638 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:44,159 can they kind of i don't know be a 639 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:54,470 possibly 640 00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,520 um here we go 641 00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,640 so 642 00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,960 again more about the helicopters 643 00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:02,799 uh do helicopters from your field ever 644 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:09,110 this is just the kind of questionnaire 645 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,029 and 646 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,120 okay so here we got several police 647 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,640 departments and airports in the area 648 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,320 contacted 649 00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,760 see if there were any helicopter 650 00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:26,000 activities in the era here yet no one 651 00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,440 else in the area seems to have seen 652 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,600 anything unusual and although several 653 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,000 people thought the description somewhat 654 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,000 similar to that of a turbine helicopter 655 00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,760 no record could be 656 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:36,799 found 657 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,760 of any helicopter activity in the area 658 00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,640 oh 659 00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,320 the observers nearsighted didn't have 660 00:29:48,410 --> 00:29:46,240 his glasses on 661 00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:48,420 throw it down the tubes 662 00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,669 i've heard 663 00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,360 things like that from other people just 664 00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,120 not in relation to cattle stuff but just 665 00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:03,679 uh like helicopters and ufos 666 00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,350 i don't know 667 00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:11,840 it's just uh pretty peculiar to me 668 00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,230 yep and all these are just saying no 669 00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,520 aircraft found no helicopters 670 00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:25,760 nothing 671 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,399 then he writes to the person who 672 00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,720 looks like had the 673 00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:34,399 sighting without additional information 674 00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,320 we cannot offer an explanation of the 675 00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:39,120 ufo you observed however 676 00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,559 complete the questionnaire blah blah 677 00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,750 we've got dr heineken involved 678 00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:47,840 northwestern university evanston 679 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,029 and 680 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:04,310 you know well it said unidentified so 681 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,830 this is interesting 682 00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,070 uh bullet point number three this case 683 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:12,880 must be evaluated as unidentified since 684 00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:15,760 it is a one witness case 685 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,149 you can't do that 686 00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,080 well you have to i guess because they 687 00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,830 or is that the other case that's the 688 00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,519 first case we went on 689 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,360 uh we are up the familiar blind alley 690 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,120 with the question as to whether there is 691 00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,840 an actual image on 692 00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,519 at the time of his sightings there's 693 00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,120 always the possibility that this could 694 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,919 have been a vivid dream or an outright 695 00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,440 hallucination 696 00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:49,360 we do not understand under what 697 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,279 conditions such hallucinations occur 698 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,799 um 699 00:32:04,310 --> 00:31:56,320 but you know we don't know what else the 700 00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,830 but it's interesting because he goes in 701 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,760 my recent visit to london i spoke at 702 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,960 great length with a well-known 703 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,480 psychiatrist who is doing research in 704 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,320 hypnosis and he tells me the following 1 705 00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,159 out of 20 people appear to be capable of 706 00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,880 deep trans hypnosis in some five cases 707 00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,720 in which he had 708 00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,559 hypothesized the people who had 709 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,640 spectacular ufo sightings he has found 710 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,320 that in all cases these people were 711 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,880 capable of deep trans hypnosis 712 00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,480 deep trance subjects are capable of 713 00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,039 hallucination under suggestion by the 714 00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,039 hypnotist the question remains whether 715 00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,799 they are also capable of hallucination 716 00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,360 without the aid of hypnotist this is an 717 00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:39,120 interesting possibility it might go a 718 00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:40,840 long way 719 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,630 vinnie's a man don't forget to like the 720 00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:52,320 video 721 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:05,509 um so yeah 722 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:08,830 interestingly enough 723 00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:11,760 um this is kind of uh the person's 724 00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:17,110 says the cows are staring at the object 725 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:21,039 from perhaps 100 to 200 feet away 726 00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:22,840 they're bawling poor 727 00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,240 cows poor cows and i love the birds on 728 00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,919 this paper by the way it's just 729 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,830 secretary of defense well 730 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:38,070 interesting i went to the secretary of 731 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,190 curious 732 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:48,950 he talks about the object says there 733 00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,960 were definitely seven openings or 734 00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,039 portholes in the approximate center of 735 00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,720 the concave sides their spacing would 736 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,559 indicate that if the craft were in fact 737 00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,640 round there would probably there were 738 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,559 probably 16 of these equally spaced 739 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:03,440 around the craft i cannot see distinctly 740 00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:04,720 enough to tell if they were square 741 00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:07,440 rectangular all around 742 00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,639 portholes wow 743 00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,399 and then he writes i've been losing a 744 00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,399 cow or two 745 00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,639 now and then undoubtedly stolen without 746 00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,720 a trace my first reaction on hearing the 747 00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,480 cause was that someone was 748 00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:22,159 among them on seeing the craft i 749 00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,440 remember thinking 750 00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,760 no wonder i have found no evidence they 751 00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,639 are being hauled off by air 752 00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,720 at that moment i had no thought of what 753 00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,720 i saw being a possible ufo but rather 754 00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:34,399 some monstrous helicopter 755 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,839 other craft 756 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,119 you know you find that a lot in 757 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:38,879 sightings too where these people don't 758 00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,760 want to think it is a ufo 759 00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:45,119 you know 760 00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,159 they don't want to think it's a ufo 761 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:49,839 they'll think it could be everything 762 00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:55,750 and a lot of these witnesses will even 763 00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:59,040 write please let me know what you find 764 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:00,400 you know because i didn't know what it 765 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,310 so you know how can you have all these 766 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,400 honest people and and 767 00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,400 upstanding reliable witnesses reporting 768 00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:12,640 this kind of stuff and they're not being 769 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,750 um 770 00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,760 all during this time there had been a 771 00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,240 distinct noise that i have difficulty in 772 00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,599 describing 773 00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:27,599 sounded like something like a swish with 774 00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,760 a piece of wire if we went over that 775 00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,440 the noise part is interesting to me 776 00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,710 but if these things are somewhat of you 777 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,440 know act as tricksters or kind of 778 00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,800 you know are different things to 779 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:45,119 different people why wouldn't noise be 780 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,240 one of them 781 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,240 you know just i think it was the last 782 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,240 show we went over how 783 00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,040 sometimes with these sightings 784 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,119 um 785 00:36:03,030 --> 00:35:57,200 you know they get radar hits and on 786 00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,030 and that's 787 00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,440 in some of these it seems like maybe for 788 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,720 the most part you could even say there 789 00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:10,480 is no sound 790 00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:15,910 and then there's reports of these things 791 00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:16,800 looking 792 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,359 different like saucers uh cigar shape 793 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,190 you know 794 00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,109 and you have to go down the road of if 795 00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,680 these are et's then there's that many 796 00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:36,320 different kinds of races of et's 797 00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:37,599 or maybe 798 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,280 this is one sort of kind of uh entity 799 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,640 that 800 00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,040 is a lot more challenging to grasp than 801 00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:47,119 we can even think and maybe plays off of 802 00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,109 there's no rhyme or reason to anything 803 00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,280 that's a great comment 804 00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,359 you know and that could be 805 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,280 that could be 806 00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,560 the pattern 807 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,720 in itself is that there's no rhyme or 808 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,280 reason 809 00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,280 because how are you supposed to figure 810 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,119 something out if there's no rhyme or 811 00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,680 reason if there's no patterns to put 812 00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,359 together 813 00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,310 you can't you can't figure out what it 814 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:25,280 is if it's just constantly doing things 815 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,550 and that could be the point 816 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,589 you know 817 00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:42,390 point of what i don't know 818 00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,069 but the more i think about this stuff 819 00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:49,359 it's 820 00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,510 it almost seems like 821 00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,760 the point is to have no pattern and to 822 00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:00,079 be confusing 823 00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:02,000 you know how many reports of recently 824 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,359 i've been reading of like materials 825 00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,359 you know falling off a craft or from the 826 00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,839 sky and they get them analyzed 827 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,230 they don't make sense they can't make 828 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,000 sense of it you know it has 829 00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,480 whatever you know elements in it and 830 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:21,359 it's probably this you know metal slag 831 00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:22,240 or 832 00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,440 but it fell straight from the sky 833 00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,000 [Music] 834 00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:30,560 in one case it hit a kid's boot 835 00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,710 you know 836 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,720 and it happens too often to think that 837 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,040 people are just trying to bring in bull 838 00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:43,200 crap to get it analyzed to the air force 839 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,160 like there's no point 840 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,480 you know 841 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,640 i don't know so 842 00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,000 we're going to move on to the vatican 843 00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,280 aspect of this 844 00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,280 this is what kind of got me tipped off 845 00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,599 on this aspect 846 00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,480 is this wonderful article on liberation 847 00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:01,920 times 848 00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:04,720 by a one christopher sharp who has been 849 00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,550 and these are kind of the main bullet 850 00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:12,000 points of 851 00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:12,880 you know 852 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,720 should go to the article that i put in 853 00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,800 the description and he's got a lot of 854 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,320 other great stuff on there too and i 855 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,599 kind of use 856 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,920 uh his site as a resource for you know 857 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,400 obviously some topics to discuss because 858 00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,349 so you have some bullet points here the 859 00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,640 vatican does not have an official 860 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,960 position on et life or potential et 861 00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,560 presence on earth 862 00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:41,520 um 863 00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,480 however it may change 864 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,720 this is interesting since 865 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,200 2002 an italian think tank has held six 866 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:51,200 conferences at the vatican about the 867 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,280 prospect of non-human intelligence now 868 00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,960 you know that's not directly connected 869 00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,040 to the vatican it but it's you know the 870 00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,280 vatican's more of an available space for 871 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,599 those people to do that and they make it 872 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,880 available 873 00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,200 um it's then speculated that if maybe 874 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:09,440 some people part of the vatican took 875 00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,030 a recent article a vatican astronomer 876 00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,119 christopher greeny mocked uap calling 877 00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,960 the phenomenon 878 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,750 this is a good point such tactics are 879 00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,280 reminiscent of those used against 880 00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:29,119 galileo that's 881 00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,550 not in this article but he's done it 882 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:40,560 um the vatican refers to uap as 883 00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:44,160 unexplained flying things 884 00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:49,280 and i've never heard this but in 1961 it 885 00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:52,640 was alleged that pope uh john 886 00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,839 xxiii encountered an alien at his summer 887 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,870 interesting 888 00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,470 so 889 00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,160 and there's you got to read the article 890 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,599 because it goes into some pretty good 891 00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:09,760 stuff but again you know what what i 892 00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,040 like to do when it comes to this stuff 893 00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:18,870 give me the documents we're going to go 894 00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,440 into documents 895 00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,240 so we got 1952 a blue book report uh 896 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,319 this is kind of a long one so i won't go 897 00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:28,079 too far into it here but 898 00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,000 um we have a professor gb sias and 899 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,240 just so you know this is italy uh 900 00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,280 iritace rome italy 901 00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,960 and i'm using this because 902 00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:43,200 um 903 00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,000 they're 904 00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,920 it's just it's pretty interesting 905 00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:47,359 because 906 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,560 and it kind of 907 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,560 this is a positive interaction for this 908 00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,560 professor by the way like he thinks it 909 00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,319 has to do with jesus and everything's 910 00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:57,280 great and god and this and that 911 00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,160 um 912 00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,640 and what it really does to me 913 00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,520 if you read this right after 914 00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,119 you know the cow thing 915 00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,160 and what we just kind of talked about 916 00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,599 is people have these different 917 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:11,839 experiences with these ufos like this 918 00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:14,880 guy's having a super positive experience 919 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,430 and 920 00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:23,349 you know the cop mutilations not so 921 00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,670 this is interesting 922 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:31,760 he says yesterday evening the 27th of 923 00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,480 august i was walking as usual along the 924 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,240 courtyard 925 00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:37,760 below the windows of the war orphans 926 00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:40,960 dormitory saying the rosary it was ex it 927 00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:43,839 was exactly the time when the trumpet of 928 00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,319 the gonzaga barracks was playing the 929 00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,560 lights out signal 930 00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,720 i watched now and then the sky covered 931 00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,720 with stars heavy moonless 932 00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,520 still torrid for the temperature 933 00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:57,200 which in those days as anyone would 934 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:00,400 remember often attain 40 degrees with 935 00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,790 and then he kind of it just goes through 936 00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,160 you know more of the descriptions of it 937 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,760 luminosity seemed to depart from the 938 00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,560 milky way it was very close to the earth 939 00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:19,680 slightly larger than the full moon 940 00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,270 my first idea was that such phenomenon 941 00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:31,599 was due to aerolite everyone knows the 942 00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,390 so you know then he tries to talk a 943 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,760 little bit more about it and talk about 944 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:44,400 why it wasn't a 945 00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:48,470 but 946 00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,200 it's interesting so right here uh under 947 00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,880 bullet point five 948 00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,640 he goes the sole thing to do is to 949 00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,960 contact a scientist i went to father 950 00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,000 jukes 951 00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,400 a well-known astronomer director of the 952 00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,640 vatican observatory 953 00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,920 castile 954 00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,280 condolfo 955 00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,520 after some days of the study 956 00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,599 he obtained with the system of the 957 00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:12,000 coordinates the following results 958 00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,280 so they go over the latitude and 959 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,680 longitude 960 00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,400 sun position 961 00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:20,240 on the basis of the above data not 962 00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,680 taking into account the effects of the 963 00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,440 refraction the distance of the observer 964 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,119 visibility 965 00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,599 some more details 966 00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,920 so what's interesting to me here is that 967 00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,040 the vatican professor astronomer 968 00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,359 is helping this guy figure out his ufo 969 00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,359 that he saw 970 00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,359 from the above it can be easily deduced 971 00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,359 that the object observed could not be a 972 00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,160 common terrestrial flying saucer some 973 00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:46,160 bright metal body illuminated by the sun 974 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:55,030 director director of the vatican 975 00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,400 observatory in well versed in 976 00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,400 astrophysicists he mentioned to me in 977 00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,560 another letter that the bright green 978 00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,720 blue solar colors and the luminosity of 979 00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:04,800 the sphere is presumably due to the 980 00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,319 remarkable quantity of iron and nickel 981 00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,599 which may 982 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:12,240 many astral bodies contain 983 00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,430 so that 984 00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:25,030 we have direct help 985 00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,520 from a astronomer the vatican 986 00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:31,920 helping this person this professor with 987 00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,910 so i bet 988 00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,720 that the vatican knows quite a bit more 989 00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,560 about this stuff than we think 990 00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,000 especially with the archives they have 991 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,480 huge archives that we've heard about 992 00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,280 um for many people 993 00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,960 dr payalska 994 00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:55,040 if i said that right lou elizondo other 995 00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,790 but 996 00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,040 you know it kind of comes down to what i 997 00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,839 think about most of this mystery is that 998 00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,599 people just don't know 999 00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,319 what the frick it is 1000 00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:12,400 i mean we just went over how confusing 1001 00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:18,950 you know 1002 00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,000 how some people have good 1003 00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,920 experiences some people have bad ones 1004 00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:25,520 some people see 1005 00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,750 all sorts of stuff 1006 00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,800 are you supposed to figure something 1007 00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,160 like that out 1008 00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,000 you know it reminds me of like a sales 1009 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:40,160 person right you go to like a used car 1010 00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,520 sales guy 1011 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,680 you own the dealership maybe there's a 1012 00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:45,760 car you like 1013 00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,520 has to test drive it he says sure you're 1014 00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,839 test driving it 1015 00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,200 and then you ask an honest question 1016 00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,640 about the car because you've researched 1017 00:46:55,850 --> 00:46:55,440 the car first right like maybe you ask 1018 00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,860 something 1019 00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,960 [Music] 1020 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,960 even 1021 00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,720 somewhat simple you know what leader 1022 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:02,880 engine is this 1023 00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:08,870 or maybe you just say the liters how 1024 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,589 and 1025 00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,800 the used car salesman doesn't know 1026 00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,440 and you know what used cars salesmen you 1027 00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,760 know this is stereotypical and obviously 1028 00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,359 they're all different but for the sake 1029 00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:25,680 of this 1030 00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:30,319 they go yeah it's 1.8 1.8 liter yep 1031 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,280 you look into it it's not 1032 00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,040 it's 2.0 1033 00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:37,440 but the guy didn't know the answer 1034 00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:41,280 and rather than saying i don't know 1035 00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,280 and feeling like a which you 1036 00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,720 shouldn't feel like a if you don't 1037 00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:47,359 know the answer but people do 1038 00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,790 and that's what we see 1039 00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,359 authorities do 1040 00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,800 i think they don't know what they're 1041 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:01,440 dealing with and rather than saying that 1042 00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:06,960 and feeling like they are an idiot right 1043 00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,710 you know 1044 00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,640 a part of that kettle mutilation thing 1045 00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:16,960 and i forget the details of this but 1046 00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,319 there was one person who 1047 00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:23,359 came in and was like all gung-ho about 1048 00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:25,440 you know just getting rid of this whole 1049 00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,960 thing 1050 00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,280 um it took 13 cases didn't even 1051 00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,440 investigate them really and said that 1052 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,760 they were all you know predators it was 1053 00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:34,960 all predators 1054 00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:37,599 just to like shut everybody up 1055 00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,069 and then another i wish i remembered the 1056 00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,040 names but another person actually 1057 00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,720 took a dead cow 1058 00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,520 and 1059 00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,800 like 1060 00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,800 took a couple cuts off of it and sent it 1061 00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,200 to the sheriff's department 1062 00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:54,880 to see what they say and kind of did it 1063 00:49:01,829 --> 00:48:59,750 see if they actually investigate or not 1064 00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,839 and they didn't they said it was a 1065 00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,559 predator it's predator 1066 00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,319 and he like then called and reamed them 1067 00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:08,000 out 1068 00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,760 you know these people just don't have 1069 00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,200 answers 1070 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:13,119 and instead of telling you that they 1071 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,670 so 1072 00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:26,630 and i think for the most part 1073 00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:32,230 but the answers they typically give you 1074 00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,710 people go into ufology and see people 1075 00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,960 with exciting answers 1076 00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,440 and maybe attach themselves to them a 1077 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,280 little too much perhaps 1078 00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,760 i don't know 1079 00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,160 so i'm going to finish with this saving 1080 00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:53,760 ufology 1081 00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,000 as 1082 00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,640 you know this thing on social media 1083 00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,800 and apparently you know ufo twitter all 1084 00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,559 that it's been there for a while but 1085 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,119 along with that 1086 00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,440 and along with all these new people 1087 00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:16,319 coming into this topic since you know 1088 00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,230 younger people 1089 00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,680 even older people 1090 00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:25,359 all sorts of different people from 1091 00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,030 you're going to have that many more 1092 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:33,280 minds on this intelligent minds people 1093 00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,270 people that are just interested like 1094 00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:42,000 people who watch ancient aliens but 1095 00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,839 don't really give a crap about any of it 1096 00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:45,040 they just watch it because it's 1097 00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,319 entertainment 1098 00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:48,880 as social media mostly is 1099 00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,309 so as that happens and we have 1100 00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,079 people out there like a linda moulton 1101 00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:59,920 howell for instance we have these new 1102 00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,480 people like kercher mungle who are 1103 00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,559 interested in this 1104 00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,559 and i want to interview her and her 1105 00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:08,800 claims for the most part and how she 1106 00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:16,630 she had to ask if a kangaroo was a 1107 00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,589 you know and it just didn't look great 1108 00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,359 it wasn't a great look 1109 00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:29,520 you know 1110 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,280 and i don't think fantastic claims 1111 00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:36,960 are necessarily not true 1112 00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:40,160 but we have so many more eyes skeptical 1113 00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:42,800 eyes on this 1114 00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:50,630 you know it's so easy for people to um 1115 00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:53,760 you know debunk and attack now 1116 00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,520 and so when somebody comes out with 1117 00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,760 you know 1118 00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,359 positively and 1119 00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,680 almost forcefully saying that cattle 1120 00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,400 mutilations are extraterrestrial with 1121 00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,640 really no evidence to back it up like 1122 00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,319 she's gonna get attacked 1123 00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:12,079 and it sucks 1124 00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,960 but 1125 00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,480 that's why we have to leave the door 1126 00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,280 open because we don't know 1127 00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,520 we don't know if it's extraterrestrial 1128 00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,680 and she can't prove it is 1129 00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,839 and that's where the problem goes that's 1130 00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:25,760 where the problem lies 1131 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,480 she can't prove it's et 1132 00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:30,720 and people can't prove it isn't ed 1133 00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,030 but you have to leave the door open 1134 00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,599 because no one can really attack you if 1135 00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:41,920 you leave the door open 1136 00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:48,710 and leaving the door open doesn't mean 1137 00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:50,720 you're saying it is an et or 1138 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,920 interdimensional or human or whatever 1139 00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,240 that just means 1140 00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,800 that you're still waiting for the right 1141 00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:02,480 answer 1142 00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,630 uh because you know a lot of this is 1143 00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,119 like chasing the dragon right 1144 00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,359 until drug reference 1145 00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,280 you're chasing the dragon it's never 1146 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:16,720 enough and you can't find it and you're 1147 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,990 so you have to stay open 1148 00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,190 and enjoy the ride 1149 00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,200 there's so many people 1150 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,359 on twitter now that 1151 00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,760 are just like they obviously don't 1152 00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,280 believe in any of this and they just 1153 00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,200 attack people on twitter for anything 1154 00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,599 whether it be lou or linda howell or 1155 00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,000 myself i've been attacked by weirdos 1156 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:48,549 and it's just like 1157 00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,950 like a mick west for instance like why 1158 00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,680 are you here 1159 00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,440 if you don't believe in any of this 1160 00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,280 stuff like why are you here why do you 1161 00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,000 spend so much time on something you 1162 00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,270 you know and that's for all like 1163 00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,160 debunkers and trolls 1164 00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,119 like what's the point 1165 00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:13,839 why are you so hooked on something you 1166 00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,750 yeah i made this uh 1167 00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,440 talking about i was talking about this 1168 00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,160 with a friend of mine 1169 00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,400 and he had mentioned this point of you 1170 00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,720 don't see like um 1171 00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:30,400 you know trolls 1172 00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,520 in 1173 00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,119 or skeptics 1174 00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,280 you know in other areas of life like 1175 00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,880 let's say 1176 00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,559 and i mentioned like football right 1177 00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,839 let's say you're watching a football 1178 00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:41,839 game you don't have a skeptic of 1179 00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,470 you know like oh that was a great play 1180 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,640 what do you think oh this game is so 1181 00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,480 fake it's so stupid i don't even know 1182 00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:55,040 why you guys watch this stuff it's dumb 1183 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:06,150 there's no football skeptics 1184 00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:07,670 it's like 1185 00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:10,880 so why are there some in ufology like 1186 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,470 you know it makes no sense 1187 00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:21,430 makes who spends time on 1188 00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,430 i don't know but um 1189 00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,960 it's hard for me to think of some i 1190 00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,880 wouldn't you know i i don't really 1191 00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,440 appreciate sewing i mean i appreciate 1192 00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,280 sewing but i don't like it 1193 00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,319 i don't like to do it so it'd be like me 1194 00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:41,760 joining like 1195 00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:45,599 ufo or sewing twitter 1196 00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,960 you know and just like 1197 00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,680 annihilating and being mean to people 1198 00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:53,040 for 1199 00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,200 uh sewing and how they sew 1200 00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,440 and i really don't like it like what do 1201 00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,720 you what are you spending all your time 1202 00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:02,799 doing that for 1203 00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:08,150 so 1204 00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,599 doing this stuff 1205 00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:17,119 right 1206 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,910 that want genuine information about ufos 1207 00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,470 i can't see what the reason is 1208 00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,359 other than they want to make you feel 1209 00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:33,280 better and they don't want people 1210 00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,960 getting more answers on ufos 1211 00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:39,119 so if you see somebody in the community 1212 00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,160 who's 1213 00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,640 actively like 1214 00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,880 down talking people 1215 00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,799 that are trying to be positive in the 1216 00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,910 their motivations 1217 00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,280 are not pure 1218 00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,200 they're not here to save you from 1219 00:57:03,190 --> 00:56:58,000 believing in fantastical things and be a 1220 00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:05,030 you know 1221 00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,270 you can't use the ufo community as an 1222 00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:13,520 out to get your anger and angst out 1223 00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,910 there's something more to it and i think 1224 00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:22,160 these trolls or these people 1225 00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,359 were just like basically machines 1226 00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,599 saying bad things about 1227 00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,000 people that are you know 1228 00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,839 in the community trying to bring light 1229 00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:34,319 to more information you know they're 1230 00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:35,760 they're 1231 00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,200 actively suppressing it 1232 00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:41,359 you know 1233 00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:47,349 state of ufology can be saved if we keep 1234 00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,119 that in mind and we keep our minds open 1235 00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:53,440 have to keep our minds open to 1236 00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,079 the possibilities 1237 00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,240 and don't clean the claims that can't be 1238 00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,559 backed up when they say when somebody 1239 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,559 says things are true if somebody says 1240 00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,880 this is how it is i'm telling you 1241 00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,880 there's no other way don't listen to 1242 00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:07,680 them 1243 00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,589 that's it because then trolls nobody 1244 00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:18,240 else has anything to say 1245 00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,359 so 1246 00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,520 i don't know maybe i didn't do too great 1247 00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:23,839 with that little um speech or whatever 1248 00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:26,400 you want to call it but i tried my best 1249 00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,839 maybe i should do it at the beginning 1250 00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:28,920 next time i don't know 1251 00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,200 [Laughter] 1252 00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:33,760 addiction or ridicule yeah totally it's 1253 00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,829 and it's an easy target 1254 00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,280 you know i made this song it's on 1255 00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,359 spotify by the way i'm just put it up 1256 00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,119 it's called easy target that's what it's 1257 00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,390 you know 1258 00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,640 it's an easy target to make 1259 00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:52,559 fun of people to ridicule people who 1260 00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,510 you know 1261 00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,349 so those people are just lazy and 1262 00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,720 they're um 1263 00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,920 lashing out at us 1264 00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:07,920 so 1265 00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,230 i appreciate your time 1266 00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,319 um i'll be back next week 1267 00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:18,559 remember we have leslie kane next week 1268 00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,160 on wednesday who just came out as having 1269 00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,359 a new series on cnn by the way 1270 00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,839 like a five-part series so that's pretty 1271 00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,760 cool um hopefully we'll get to talk to 1272 00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,599 her about that 1273 00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:36,950 i have a really cool set of documents 1274 00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,760 that i found that robert cofort 1275 00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,870 because i shared them with them and it 1276 00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:45,839 could be 1277 00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,589 uh why investigators 1278 00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,000 had to start bringing geiger counters to 1279 01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:56,880 all the ufo cases perhaps 1280 01:00:01,109 --> 01:00:00,160 and why the department of energy might 1281 01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,119 have 1282 01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,839 a little more information on this stuff 1283 01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:05,200 than we know 1284 01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,280 in the case from 1952 and yeah 1285 01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,359 it could be 1286 01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:13,599 at least maybe the first connection i've 1287 01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,640 seen 1288 01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,359 um to the whole nuclear aspect that 1289 01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:19,200 doesn't really just 1290 01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:21,920 revolve around ufos by nuclear plants 1291 01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:25,200 it's more intense than that so 1292 01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,559 looking forward to sharing that with you 1293 01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,240 guys i was going to do that today but i 1294 01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,680 just really wanted to get my thoughts 1295 01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:31,200 together a little bit 1296 01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:32,640 more on that because i believe it's 1297 01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,880 going to be a pretty important one so 1298 01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,040 look out for that on monday 1299 01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,119 and thanks everybody for hanging out i 1300 01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:40,799 really appreciate it 1301 01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:44,319 um lord bass awesome too much info 1302 01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,680 um derek hammond bodycon v v toby also 1303 01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:51,920 dennis thanks for that super sticker 1304 01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:54,559 george awesome diesel grill 1305 01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:58,319 everybody uh rachel serves psych 1306 01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,559 just everybody robert 1307 01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,079 everybody for hanging out i really 1308 01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:04,559 appreciate y'all 1309 01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:11,030 you made my saturday awesome 1310 01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:11,839 oh 1311 01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,520 if anyone's to do an ig live 1312 01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,200 we'll see 1313 01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,559 i don't know 1314 01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,319 i got to review his comments here in the 1315 01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,400 in the live chat see if i want to join 1316 01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:25,200 him live or not but i probably will 1317 01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,240 [Laughter] 1318 01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,480 oh thanks toby i appreciate that dude 1319 01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,319 that's super nice you guys to do that i 1320 01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:34,240 really appreciate it 1321 01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,440 um 1322 01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:37,119 so yeah 1323 01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,000 maybe hop on over to uh uh vinnie's uh 1324 01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:42,240 instagram live and maybe you'll see me 1325 01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:46,160 there otherwise k42dv everybody else 1326 01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,349 material command to be the first to know 1327 01:01:59,920 --> 01:01:56,720 how about a device from a foreign 1328 01:02:23,990 --> 01:01:59,930 country we know they're not 1329 01:02:42,690 --> 01:02:24,220 [Applause] 1330 01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:42,700 [Music] 1331 01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:43,740 [Applause]